Breaking Bad (WARNING: Clicking this will SPOIL EVERY SINGLE THING IN THE SHOW)

[deadly habit]

walt broke bad before poisoning the kid though
that was just the obvious scene play out

i always thought the scene with him in the dirt basement where it looked like it was his coffin maniacally laughing signified him breaking bad
aka seeing he was fucked and kill everyone get his fam out of the way
regardless this season was pure awesome

[Yournamehere]

You know I was wondering what they were doing with that framing where he's in the crawl space, it's totally supposed to resemble a coffin, good catch.

Personally, I think Walt broke bad long before any point in the fourth season, but it depends on your definition of the phrase and how you view and justify his actions and choices throughout the series.

[deadly habit]

i'm honestly waiting on jesse redeeming himself

[Yournamehere]

Redeeming himself how?

[deadly habit]

with the semi family he's set up

[Tame]

I think Jesse has already redeemed himself as long as he doesn't relapse. After cleaning up his house, I think that was the turning point.

As for Walt, I think he Broke Bad in S2E8 when he left Jane die. He didn't even show remorse, he just.. left her.

[Refrag]

I think Jesse has already redeemed himself as long as he doesn't relapse. After cleaning up his house, I think that was the turning point.

As for Walt, I think he Broke Bad in S2E8 when he left Jane die. He didn't even show remorse, he just.. left her.

Yes

[Yournamehere]

I feel Jesse has become the moral center of the show as well, or at the very least he's morally ambiguous and not necessarily evil. Just as well, I think Walt has been morally compromised from the start and that he broke bad in the first episode when he decided to cook meth in the first place. Pretty much all of his actions in the series are based on his desires and his inability to cope with his life, which to him is pretty shitty. Yes, he did it for the sake of his family's well being and future, but he had a perfectly good opportunity to swallow his pride and get treatment paid in full from a very decent support network, his old colleagues, and he didn't. He had an opportunity to quit the trade before tensions between him and Gustavo got too high, and he didn't. Walter, throughout the whole series, is painted as the quintessential intelligent introvert who at the first opportunity to gain some independence and self esteem leaps face first into said chance without thinking of anything but himself, his ego and the way he feels. Walt is a piece of shit.

[Igotaname]

Did uh, did anyone see Gus' AMA on uh. You know, that place. Uhm.
Reddit?

Anyway, more about Gus.
Gus apparently has children, and as upset as he was about the dope dealers having a child murdered, the ends justify the means. A child died from his men, and as upset as he may have been. Which didn't seem obvious, it has made his character more evil to me.
During Season 4 he started to have some sort of emotional deal. Which I felt was sort of lazy.

As much as the Mexican Drug Cartels deserved what they got, Gus seemingly broke character when he went around trying to get revenge. He risked his life and his business. The whole thing he had against the cartels to be face to face with them when they all died from an obvious poisoned drink.

Which sorts of makes me think that this whole child incident wasn't thought up completely. If Gus was supposed to have emotions, he should have showed them more when something like this goes down.
Apparently on the show the writers write for the actors, and sometimes the actors setup the writers.
After the obvious of Gus not looking visually upset, which is all he had to do, they had to tone his coldness down. It's not safe to make a character like that, since it was too black and white.

I think they played it safe killing him off, with the above being said, there was nothing else the character could have done. He was too perfect, yet unstable. After issues like this have been noticed, someone like Gus starts to lose legitimacy. Which is sad, since that's mainly what he had going for him.
It would have been nice to get more things on Chile, and apparently there is gonna be some spin-off about it, but that itself would murder this character more than a chemist professor's bomb.

Gus had mystery. Gus had reasoning. Gus had something to do.
Get back at the cartels, keep them away from his business, and keep it as legit as he could.
Now that's all gone though.

This is however, the only issue I have with the show, since Gus is my favorite character. Otherwise, no problems what so ever. I always figured Gus to be the behind closed doors though, after that box cutter though. It sort of dropped the character for me.

[Tame]

Gus didn't go for revenge on the cartel. Don Eladio was literally ruining his business, demanding more and more of his profits. He did what he had to do to protect his business and one of his best cooks. Gus worked side by side with the cartel until they demanded more from him.

[Igotaname]

Gus didn't go for revenge on the cartel. Don Eladio was literally ruining his business, demanding more and more of his profits. He did what he had to do to protect his business and one of his best cooks. Gus worked side by side with the cartel until they demanded more from him.

Yeah, but he ran side by side with them, so they couldn't get their dirty reach over the border. Which was revenge in itself.

[Yournamehere]

Did uh, did anyone see Gus' AMA on uh. You know, that place. Uhm.
Reddit?

Anyway, more about Gus.
Gus apparently has children, and as upset as he was about the dope dealers having a child murdered, the ends justify the means. A child died from his men, and as upset as he may have been. Which didn't seem obvious, it has made his character more evil to me.
During Season 4 he started to have some sort of emotional deal. Which I felt was sort of lazy.

As much as the Mexican Drug Cartels deserved what they got, Gus seemingly broke character when he went around trying to get revenge. He risked his life and his business. The whole thing he had against the cartels to be face to face with them when they all died from an obvious poisoned drink.

Which sorts of makes me think that this whole child incident wasn't thought up completely. If Gus was supposed to have emotions, he should have showed them more when something like this goes down.
Apparently on the show the writers write for the actors, and sometimes the actors setup the writers.
After the obvious of Gus not looking visually upset, which is all he had to do, they had to tone his coldness down. It's not safe to make a character like that, since it was too black and white.

I think they played it safe killing him off, with the above being said, there was nothing else the character could have done. He was too perfect, yet unstable. After issues like this have been noticed, someone like Gus starts to lose legitimacy. Which is sad, since that's mainly what he had going for him.
It would have been nice to get more things on Chile, and apparently there is gonna be some spin-off about it, but that itself would murder this character more than a chemist professor's bomb.

Gus had mystery. Gus had reasoning. Gus had something to do.
Get back at the cartels, keep them away from his business, and keep it as legit as he could.
Now that's all gone though.

This is however, the only issue I have with the show, since Gus is my favorite character. Otherwise, no problems what so ever. I always figured Gus to be the behind closed doors though, after that box cutter though. It sort of dropped the character for me.

The Cartel arc may be seen as a "cheap" way to further the plot and give the characters something to do, but I don't think it compromised the development of Gus's character. To start, Gus had no idea his men were using kids to deal nor did he know about the child dying quickly enough to react appropriately. For the first leg, he did exactly as his character, a businessman, would have done by dealing with it diplomatically as best he could. Jesse and the dealers call truce, shake hands and leave it behind them. When Jesse and Walt intervene, kill the dealers and subsequently kill Gale to keep them from being liabilities (again, they do this because of Gus's businesslike nature), Gus responds again, as a businessman by covering tracks via killing Victor who was spotted at the scene of the crime. Additionally he does this in front of Walt and Jesse to let them know he is completely capable of not being evil, but doing whatever he needs to in order to protect his business. Just as he would do by killing Cartel members riding his ass to take apart his operation, or threatening Walt with his life if he were to do anything stupid after being fired.

His primary motivation in any decision is his business. The fact that these people are responsible for the death of his friend and he can use this as a method of revenge is icing on the cake really. He wouldn't even kill Salamanca until he knew he spoke to the DEA, and he's a helpless old man who would require something as simple as his oxygen tank being disconnected and his bell taken away. He steadily stows his emotions throughout the series and gets done what is necessary to secure his dealing, so there really isn't a hole in his development, he's exactly what he needs to be.

[robinhood]

ooooh
horrible pic up there 

[Tame]

ooooh
horrible pic up there 

That's why I have a warning on the topic. 

[Tame]

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